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		<title>By: e-tat</title>
		<link>http://www.spaceandculture.org/2006/06/08/theory-into-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>e-tat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne, if I understand what you&#039;re getting at, it&#039;s something like the ways people deal with ambivalence, or reconcile significantly different approaches. This is what comes to mind  as convergence without consensus, except that consensus might well be displaced by cognitive dissonance or some other form of rationalisation. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you are asking how people deal with difference, one part if the answer is that sometimes, they don&#039;t. Or they respond defensively.  So should we be looking for ways to change that?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your subsequent point seems to be about what I&#039;ll call self-actualisation (i.e., the future) in relation to technology. I see that&#039;s not your central point, but is the focus of the Papert segment. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At this point, and without having a clearer sense of what you mean by critique, my guess is that you are simply asking how a critical approach to something like futurism plays out, or how the techniques of self-actualisation might be affected by a particular critique. In these  examples, it&#039;s not a matter of finding an answer, but of illuminating possibilities. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s what I get from what you&#039;ve written here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne, if I understand what you&#8217;re getting at, it&#8217;s something like the ways people deal with ambivalence, or reconcile significantly different approaches. This is what comes to mind  as convergence without consensus, except that consensus might well be displaced by cognitive dissonance or some other form of rationalisation. </p>
<p>If you are asking how people deal with difference, one part if the answer is that sometimes, they don&#8217;t. Or they respond defensively.  So should we be looking for ways to change that?</p>
<p>Your subsequent point seems to be about what I&#8217;ll call self-actualisation (i.e., the future) in relation to technology. I see that&#8217;s not your central point, but is the focus of the Papert segment. </p>
<p>At this point, and without having a clearer sense of what you mean by critique, my guess is that you are simply asking how a critical approach to something like futurism plays out, or how the techniques of self-actualisation might be affected by a particular critique. In these  examples, it&#8217;s not a matter of finding an answer, but of illuminating possibilities. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I get from what you&#8217;ve written here.</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I just read &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.papert.org/articles/ACritiqueofTechnocentrism.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;The question is not &#039;What will the computer do to us?&#039; The question is &#039;What will we make of the computer?&#039; The point is not to predict the computer future. The point is to make it.  Our computer future could be made in many different forms. It will be determined not by the nature of the technology, but by a host of decisions of individual human beings. In the end, it is a political matter, a matter of social philosophy and of social decision how we will remake and rethink our world in the presence of technology. When we talk about computers in education, we should not think about a machine having an effect. We should be talking about the opportunity offered us, by this computer presence, to rethink [things]...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The article is actually about technocentrism, which is what John Thackara also essentially objects to in terms of design and forecasting: no need to limit ourselves to a purely technological future.  So where does critique fit here?  How does it play out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I just read <a HREF="http://www.papert.org/articles/ACritiqueofTechnocentrism.html" REL="nofollow">this</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The question is not &#8216;What will the computer do to us?&#8217; The question is &#8216;What will we make of the computer?&#8217; The point is not to predict the computer future. The point is to make it.  Our computer future could be made in many different forms. It will be determined not by the nature of the technology, but by a host of decisions of individual human beings. In the end, it is a political matter, a matter of social philosophy and of social decision how we will remake and rethink our world in the presence of technology. When we talk about computers in education, we should not think about a machine having an effect. We should be talking about the opportunity offered us, by this computer presence, to rethink [things]&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The article is actually about technocentrism, which is what John Thackara also essentially objects to in terms of design and forecasting: no need to limit ourselves to a purely technological future.  So where does critique fit here?  How does it play out?</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks jason, and e-tat, i&#039;m not sure it&#039;s a question of ideology beyond the juncture of discourse and power.  i&#039;m not really looking for an &quot;enemy,&quot; and i think that what actually constitutes today&#039;s military assemblage is vast and unpredictable.  neither am i convinced that there is &quot;no future in any critique&quot; - although we&#039;d probably want to be clear on what is meant by future ;)  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;in any case what strikes me now, before my first cup of coffee in the morning, is that when critical theories are being mobilised by commercial interests - as in the case of, say, design or techno-social forecasting - they become different kinds of criticality that are able to do different kinds of things, both positive and negative.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;now it isn&#039;t a question of whose critical approach is best - that&#039;s competitive like military operations and i&#039;m not a soldier - but it can be a question of how critical perspectives are mobilised in different ways, to different ends.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the problem, it seems to me right now, is that some people struggle with differences that cannot be easily ranked.  i also continue to see non-academics struggle with the difference between critique and criticism, both getting defensive and becoming aggressive at the mere suggestion of disagreement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;this gets back to my desire for convergence without consensus.  it seems so simple, and so obvious to me, but it proves to be a great challenge in contexts where the objective is to do the &quot;right thing.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;but now i&#039;ve rambled so long i no longer know what i&#039;m talking about, so i&#039;ll stop ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks jason, and e-tat, i&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s a question of ideology beyond the juncture of discourse and power.  i&#8217;m not really looking for an &#8220;enemy,&#8221; and i think that what actually constitutes today&#8217;s military assemblage is vast and unpredictable.  neither am i convinced that there is &#8220;no future in any critique&#8221; &#8211; although we&#8217;d probably want to be clear on what is meant by future ;)  </p>
<p>in any case what strikes me now, before my first cup of coffee in the morning, is that when critical theories are being mobilised by commercial interests &#8211; as in the case of, say, design or techno-social forecasting &#8211; they become different kinds of criticality that are able to do different kinds of things, both positive and negative.  </p>
<p>now it isn&#8217;t a question of whose critical approach is best &#8211; that&#8217;s competitive like military operations and i&#8217;m not a soldier &#8211; but it can be a question of how critical perspectives are mobilised in different ways, to different ends.</p>
<p>the problem, it seems to me right now, is that some people struggle with differences that cannot be easily ranked.  i also continue to see non-academics struggle with the difference between critique and criticism, both getting defensive and becoming aggressive at the mere suggestion of disagreement.</p>
<p>this gets back to my desire for convergence without consensus.  it seems so simple, and so obvious to me, but it proves to be a great challenge in contexts where the objective is to do the &#8220;right thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>but now i&#8217;ve rambled so long i no longer know what i&#8217;m talking about, so i&#8217;ll stop ;)</p>
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		<title>By: e-tat</title>
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		<dc:creator>e-tat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entirely off the cuff and after spending too long in the sun, and breathing too much of the fumes from someone else&#039;s badly lit barbeque, and 45 minutes of Blogger time-outs, I&#039;d say that both of you feel a bit put out by the appropriation by the military-commercial complex of ideologies you&#039;re fond of. But Debord was clear on this point. The spectacle consumes everything, including its own critique. So there&#039;s no future in any given critique. It means that the military and capitalists cannot always be depended upon to be the enemy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But maybe I&#039;m only thinking that because I&#039;m a bit put out by my own circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entirely off the cuff and after spending too long in the sun, and breathing too much of the fumes from someone else&#8217;s badly lit barbeque, and 45 minutes of Blogger time-outs, I&#8217;d say that both of you feel a bit put out by the appropriation by the military-commercial complex of ideologies you&#8217;re fond of. But Debord was clear on this point. The spectacle consumes everything, including its own critique. So there&#8217;s no future in any given critique. It means that the military and capitalists cannot always be depended upon to be the enemy.</p>
<p>But maybe I&#8217;m only thinking that because I&#8217;m a bit put out by my own circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.spaceandculture.org/2006/06/08/theory-into-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, and, of course, somewhat disgusting. It reminds of when I was joining the old Methodologies for the Study of Western History and Culture, aka &quot;Meth,&quot; program at Trent U., and I&#039;d hear about all the previous grads who now worked in advertising and communications, promoting imperialism/capitalism since they were now experts in it after spending so many years up to that point learning how to critique it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, and, of course, somewhat disgusting. It reminds of when I was joining the old Methodologies for the Study of Western History and Culture, aka &#8220;Meth,&#8221; program at Trent U., and I&#8217;d hear about all the previous grads who now worked in advertising and communications, promoting imperialism/capitalism since they were now experts in it after spending so many years up to that point learning how to critique it!</p>
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